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		<title>By: Baby Love Child</title>
		<link>http://www.babylovechild.org/2009/06/29/on-so-called-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-1617</link>
		<dc:creator>Baby Love Child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just time for a very quick little comment in response to Lindsay-

Your blog is dead on, and a damn useful example, precisely the kind of example the people on that thread have not only never seen or read, but as your traffic bears out, are unlikely to.

It has a very great deal to do with lack of curiosity- simply put, they don&#039;t want to know. There are things across on the link that shatter some of their ideas about what they think this is.

No worries about not chiming in, it was a clearly a matter of writing reality and the real consequences into a space wherein the primary audience of such only found those realities and consequences disturbing and uncomfortable.

The sheer number of adopters, IVFers, etc there tends to sway comment threads towards sounding like that, those who happen to disagree tend to be either troll rated out of the conversion or treated precisely the way we were, &#039;you have baggage- and you&#039;re just projecting.&#039;

Writing in that environment is never &#039;fun.&#039; Doesn&#039;t mean those who self select to try to do so shouldn&#039;t, it just means they have to be willing to &#039;take the hit&#039; and be treated the way we were. I don&#039;t blame ANYONE for being unwilling to walk into that. Especially those with some of the most direct personal experience, it&#039;s just too damn heartbreaking and crazymaking for many.

That said, your support (wanting to &#039;up ratings&#039; and your kind post here) means a great deal. I always try to make it clear, while I do not have the first hand experience and I cannot speak for those who do, I live many of these issues, and this is my perspective on them.  

I was not the least bit surprised to not see a single &#039;directly affected&#039; &#039;expert&#039; on the topic (from the one time kid&#039;s perspective) come forward on the thread, it was what some might term &#039;hostile territory&#039; in there.

That said, many of the things we were saying desperately needed to be said, and certainly no one else was gonna. It may be hostile, but some of them really do need to hear the version that&#039;s not all pink fairy princesses and magical-wawa land.

Hearing that we did ok by at least one of the directly affected is important, and deeply appreciated.

Meanwhile, keep doing what you&#039;re doing, it&#039;s important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just time for a very quick little comment in response to Lindsay-</p>
<p>Your blog is dead on, and a damn useful example, precisely the kind of example the people on that thread have not only never seen or read, but as your traffic bears out, are unlikely to.</p>
<p>It has a very great deal to do with lack of curiosity- simply put, they don&#8217;t want to know. There are things across on the link that shatter some of their ideas about what they think this is.</p>
<p>No worries about not chiming in, it was a clearly a matter of writing reality and the real consequences into a space wherein the primary audience of such only found those realities and consequences disturbing and uncomfortable.</p>
<p>The sheer number of adopters, IVFers, etc there tends to sway comment threads towards sounding like that, those who happen to disagree tend to be either troll rated out of the conversion or treated precisely the way we were, &#8216;you have baggage- and you&#8217;re just projecting.&#8217;</p>
<p>Writing in that environment is never &#8216;fun.&#8217; Doesn&#8217;t mean those who self select to try to do so shouldn&#8217;t, it just means they have to be willing to &#8216;take the hit&#8217; and be treated the way we were. I don&#8217;t blame ANYONE for being unwilling to walk into that. Especially those with some of the most direct personal experience, it&#8217;s just too damn heartbreaking and crazymaking for many.</p>
<p>That said, your support (wanting to &#8216;up ratings&#8217; and your kind post here) means a great deal. I always try to make it clear, while I do not have the first hand experience and I cannot speak for those who do, I live many of these issues, and this is my perspective on them.  </p>
<p>I was not the least bit surprised to not see a single &#8216;directly affected&#8217; &#8216;expert&#8217; on the topic (from the one time kid&#8217;s perspective) come forward on the thread, it was what some might term &#8216;hostile territory&#8217; in there.</p>
<p>That said, many of the things we were saying desperately needed to be said, and certainly no one else was gonna. It may be hostile, but some of them really do need to hear the version that&#8217;s not all pink fairy princesses and magical-wawa land.</p>
<p>Hearing that we did ok by at least one of the directly affected is important, and deeply appreciated.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, keep doing what you&#8217;re doing, it&#8217;s important.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://www.babylovechild.org/2009/06/29/on-so-called-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-1616</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting on this post....and for sending a link to my blog (although since then I have only had ONE PERSON come from dkos.....not surprising however, considering the other posters).  I tried, but I was so angry I knew I could not put together something coherent enough that contained more words than swearing.  I may try to post about it later on cryokid, but I&#039;m emotionally not in the place to put myself in that battlefield - i&#039;d be an Iraqi suicide bomber if I did that!!


P.S.....I tried to up you and Marley&#039;s ratings, but since I&#039;m not a dkos blogger I couldn&#039;t.  Figured I&#039;d lose my hold there anyways, considering I&#039;m the arch enemy of pfl (plf?)  --- I&#039;m his worst nightmare come true!!!  HAHA

But yeah, thanks for sticking it out in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting on this post&#8230;.and for sending a link to my blog (although since then I have only had ONE PERSON come from dkos&#8230;..not surprising however, considering the other posters).  I tried, but I was so angry I knew I could not put together something coherent enough that contained more words than swearing.  I may try to post about it later on cryokid, but I&#8217;m emotionally not in the place to put myself in that battlefield &#8211; i&#8217;d be an Iraqi suicide bomber if I did that!!</p>
<p>P.S&#8230;..I tried to up you and Marley&#8217;s ratings, but since I&#8217;m not a dkos blogger I couldn&#8217;t.  Figured I&#8217;d lose my hold there anyways, considering I&#8217;m the arch enemy of pfl (plf?)  &#8212; I&#8217;m his worst nightmare come true!!!  HAHA</p>
<p>But yeah, thanks for sticking it out in there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Young</title>
		<link>http://www.babylovechild.org/2009/06/29/on-so-called-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-1578</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog!  I am sick and tired of mothers being to blame for the maintaining of sealed records.  We had nothing to do with it. It was not our asses they were interested in keeping covered; they only cared that we shut up and went away.  

I have often wondered how many of the callow youth that fathered our children went on to make a name for themselves in the legislatures, the media, the clergy, etc.  

How many illegal practices used to obtain the surrenders will those records also uncover?  I have some of mine, and just what they thought okay to release to me, not to remain hidden, show many things that are borderline.   

So many secrets, so many lies, so much money to protect them.  My grandmother used to repeat the old saying, &quot;Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.&quot;  Nowhere more so than adoption is that old saying proven true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog!  I am sick and tired of mothers being to blame for the maintaining of sealed records.  We had nothing to do with it. It was not our asses they were interested in keeping covered; they only cared that we shut up and went away.  </p>
<p>I have often wondered how many of the callow youth that fathered our children went on to make a name for themselves in the legislatures, the media, the clergy, etc.  </p>
<p>How many illegal practices used to obtain the surrenders will those records also uncover?  I have some of mine, and just what they thought okay to release to me, not to remain hidden, show many things that are borderline.   </p>
<p>So many secrets, so many lies, so much money to protect them.  My grandmother used to repeat the old saying, &#8220;Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.&#8221;  Nowhere more so than adoption is that old saying proven true!</p>
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