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	<title>Comments on: The Gumm murder-suicide, Kylie and Tyler were adoptees</title>
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		<title>By: Baby Love Child</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baby Love Child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin, perhaps you can provide some form of citation for this? Are you speaking from your own personal experiences?

I have no seen any reporting of the attendance or of it having been as you characterized it an &quot;open&quot; adoption.

To the best of my knowledge closed adoptions are still perfectly legal in Oregon. It appears you are conflating &quot;open adoption&quot; with &quot;open records.&quot; 

As for the open records situation in Oregon, I am well aware of the successful effort for adult adoptees to regain access to their authentic documentation, as I am a member of Bastard Nation, one of the key groups that fought to regain those rights.

That said, though, open records (upon adulthood, for the adoptees themselves) are not the same as, and have nothing to do with &quot;open adoptions.&quot; Also, in most states so called &quot;open&quot; adoptions do not equate to the people involved having full access to the state held paperwork. And of course, in international adoptions, even in open records states, the adoptee may not be able to access much even upon meeting the age requirement.

As you claim to have information that to date has not been reported in the media pieces I&#039;ve seen, perhaps you can elaborate, has Kylie&#039;s original father been notified?

Can you provide any documentation that what you claim is true?

As for &quot;speculation,&quot; coming from someone who doesn&#039;t even appear to know the differences between open records and open adoption, you might want to pause for a moment and realize that adoptees such as myself DO know a thing or two about adoption, and that yes, we care, and even dare blog about it when other adoptees are murdered by the man who adopted them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin, perhaps you can provide some form of citation for this? Are you speaking from your own personal experiences?</p>
<p>I have no seen any reporting of the attendance or of it having been as you characterized it an &#8220;open&#8221; adoption.</p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge closed adoptions are still perfectly legal in Oregon. It appears you are conflating &#8220;open adoption&#8221; with &#8220;open records.&#8221; </p>
<p>As for the open records situation in Oregon, I am well aware of the successful effort for adult adoptees to regain access to their authentic documentation, as I am a member of Bastard Nation, one of the key groups that fought to regain those rights.</p>
<p>That said, though, open records (upon adulthood, for the adoptees themselves) are not the same as, and have nothing to do with &#8220;open adoptions.&#8221; Also, in most states so called &#8220;open&#8221; adoptions do not equate to the people involved having full access to the state held paperwork. And of course, in international adoptions, even in open records states, the adoptee may not be able to access much even upon meeting the age requirement.</p>
<p>As you claim to have information that to date has not been reported in the media pieces I&#8217;ve seen, perhaps you can elaborate, has Kylie&#8217;s original father been notified?</p>
<p>Can you provide any documentation that what you claim is true?</p>
<p>As for &#8220;speculation,&#8221; coming from someone who doesn&#8217;t even appear to know the differences between open records and open adoption, you might want to pause for a moment and realize that adoptees such as myself DO know a thing or two about adoption, and that yes, we care, and even dare blog about it when other adoptees are murdered by the man who adopted them.</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THe birthmother who was the mother of both children, and the birthfather of the the boy were at the funeral. They stayed in touch with the mother. People need not speculate on what they have no idea of what they know nothing about. 
All Oregon adoptions are open by law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THe birthmother who was the mother of both children, and the birthfather of the the boy were at the funeral. They stayed in touch with the mother. People need not speculate on what they have no idea of what they know nothing about.<br />
All Oregon adoptions are open by law.</p>
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