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	<title>Comments on: Adoptee Rights Demonstration / Day for Adoptee Rights some history and Gershom&#8217;s &#8220;storm&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Baby Love Child</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baby Love Child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m at it, allow me to point out yet another example of how Bastard Nation was using all of this terminology long before the current nuDAR folks, note the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bastards.org/events/atpro.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;name of the protest over Bastards on the Boardwalk, in Atlantic City, NJ in 1999; &quot;Adoptee Rights Demonstration&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;

There&#039;s simply no denying it, BN was there, utilizing these exact language phrases in their work. Not that such are in any way distinctly theirs, but I think it was pretty obvious to at least some of us, that anything calling itself Adoptee Rights Demonstration/Day for Adoptee Rights with Bastard Nation as a sponsor on it and Ron&#039;s name on it, would mean something in the same vein.

The notion of having &#039;decided against&#039; utilizing that pre-existing history while cute, doesn&#039;t hold up to what the average person aware of the BN history was going to hear when you utilized those terms in connection with such names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m at it, allow me to point out yet another example of how Bastard Nation was using all of this terminology long before the current nuDAR folks, note the <a href="http://www.bastards.org/events/atpro.htm" rel="nofollow">name of the protest over Bastards on the Boardwalk, in Atlantic City, NJ in 1999; &#8220;Adoptee Rights Demonstration</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s simply no denying it, BN was there, utilizing these exact language phrases in their work. Not that such are in any way distinctly theirs, but I think it was pretty obvious to at least some of us, that anything calling itself Adoptee Rights Demonstration/Day for Adoptee Rights with Bastard Nation as a sponsor on it and Ron&#8217;s name on it, would mean something in the same vein.</p>
<p>The notion of having &#8216;decided against&#8217; utilizing that pre-existing history while cute, doesn&#8217;t hold up to what the average person aware of the BN history was going to hear when you utilized those terms in connection with such names.</p>
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		<title>By: Baby Love Child</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baby Love Child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;This does not purport to be THE history by any means, but it does serve as a backgrounder on some of its roots.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

not clear enough?

Knock yourselves out, go write your own. I never claimed to be any kind of &lt;strong&gt;official&lt;/strong&gt; historian on this thing.

You want to go around in circles on where organizing was taking place?

Alright, fine then , Soul of Adoption was another one, not that it makes that much of a difference, as Adult Adoptees and Soul of Adoption have so many of the same players  (Amy, Addie, you, Ron, etc to name just a few) shared between the two. Soul of Adoption was already mentioned in this post where I quoted you as saying:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Last year I was an active poster on Soul Of Adoption, and there was this other quirky, yet intelligent, to the point, man there who went by the name of Late Discovery. His avatar had this man who looked like he’d been playing the blues and I liked what he had to say.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whatever.  &#039;Soul&#039; and &#039;Adult&#039; were both mentioned in my post and both have important overlaps and interweaves, enough so, that yes, I had no interest in joining &quot;soul&quot; for a variety of reasons, not the least of which being industry involvement..

If you &quot;thought about linking&quot; (the history?) to the demonstration but &quot;went against the idea&quot; then you folks might have picked a different name than &quot;A Day for Adoptee Rights, July 2008, New Orleans LA!&quot; which was on &lt;a href=&quot;http://bbchurch.blogspot.com/2007_05_01_archive.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the release&lt;/a&gt; back in May &#039;07.

Clearly by utilizing the name, you &lt;strong&gt;WERE&lt;/strong&gt; linking the history certainly in the minds of those familiar with O-DAR, whether you intended such or not is kind of beside the point at this late date.

So call me nuts all you like, if it makes you feel better.

The event, whether by design or not ended up being built on the bones of pre-existing language and events.

Was it a mass action? Clearly no. Has the messaging been about unequal treatment under law? Some yes some no, to date. 

So sure, head on back to the booth that was paid for by donors, many of them supporting the original vision of the event, counting on people like Ron and BN being there to keep the messaging on track. There&#039;s not a lot they can do about the fact that the event fell into your hands. Just keep in mind, they may not be so willing to donate to similar next time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;This does not purport to be THE history by any means, but it does serve as a backgrounder on some of its roots.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>not clear enough?</p>
<p>Knock yourselves out, go write your own. I never claimed to be any kind of <strong>official</strong> historian on this thing.</p>
<p>You want to go around in circles on where organizing was taking place?</p>
<p>Alright, fine then , Soul of Adoption was another one, not that it makes that much of a difference, as Adult Adoptees and Soul of Adoption have so many of the same players  (Amy, Addie, you, Ron, etc to name just a few) shared between the two. Soul of Adoption was already mentioned in this post where I quoted you as saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Last year I was an active poster on Soul Of Adoption, and there was this other quirky, yet intelligent, to the point, man there who went by the name of Late Discovery. His avatar had this man who looked like he’d been playing the blues and I liked what he had to say.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Whatever.  &#8216;Soul&#8217; and &#8216;Adult&#8217; were both mentioned in my post and both have important overlaps and interweaves, enough so, that yes, I had no interest in joining &#8220;soul&#8221; for a variety of reasons, not the least of which being industry involvement..</p>
<p>If you &#8220;thought about linking&#8221; (the history?) to the demonstration but &#8220;went against the idea&#8221; then you folks might have picked a different name than &#8220;A Day for Adoptee Rights, July 2008, New Orleans LA!&#8221; which was on <a href="http://bbchurch.blogspot.com/2007_05_01_archive.html" rel="nofollow">the release</a> back in May &#8216;07.</p>
<p>Clearly by utilizing the name, you <strong>WERE</strong> linking the history certainly in the minds of those familiar with O-DAR, whether you intended such or not is kind of beside the point at this late date.</p>
<p>So call me nuts all you like, if it makes you feel better.</p>
<p>The event, whether by design or not ended up being built on the bones of pre-existing language and events.</p>
<p>Was it a mass action? Clearly no. Has the messaging been about unequal treatment under law? Some yes some no, to date. </p>
<p>So sure, head on back to the booth that was paid for by donors, many of them supporting the original vision of the event, counting on people like Ron and BN being there to keep the messaging on track. There&#8217;s not a lot they can do about the fact that the event fell into your hands. Just keep in mind, they may not be so willing to donate to similar next time around.</p>
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		<title>By: Gershom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gershom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You couldn&#039;t have gotten it MORE wrong. You don&#039;t know about the PRIVATE board ron and I were on, because YOU WEREN&#039;T ON THE ORIGINAL ORGANIZERS BOARD OR LIST. Ron, Theresa and I were. NOT YOU, and it wasn&#039;t on AdultAdoptees.org. Wrong again. Yes, I DID know about Adoptee Rights Day, on that private board ( which again, you weren&#039;t a part of because you weren&#039;t a part of the team ) we talked about linking it to the demonstration but went against the idea. You don&#039;t have ANY of your facts straight. Infact, you&#039;re nuts, you&#039;re seriously NUTS.

You need to once again get your facts straight. You sit here and type of fake bullshit timelines while I go back to the Exhibitors booth and talk open records with legislatures. 

Keep digging yourself a grave, you&#039;re totally going down. But we all know you won&#039;t publish this one either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You couldn&#8217;t have gotten it MORE wrong. You don&#8217;t know about the PRIVATE board ron and I were on, because YOU WEREN&#8217;T ON THE ORIGINAL ORGANIZERS BOARD OR LIST. Ron, Theresa and I were. NOT YOU, and it wasn&#8217;t on AdultAdoptees.org. Wrong again. Yes, I DID know about Adoptee Rights Day, on that private board ( which again, you weren&#8217;t a part of because you weren&#8217;t a part of the team ) we talked about linking it to the demonstration but went against the idea. You don&#8217;t have ANY of your facts straight. Infact, you&#8217;re nuts, you&#8217;re seriously NUTS.</p>
<p>You need to once again get your facts straight. You sit here and type of fake bullshit timelines while I go back to the Exhibitors booth and talk open records with legislatures. </p>
<p>Keep digging yourself a grave, you&#8217;re totally going down. But we all know you won&#8217;t publish this one either.</p>
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